Sawyer: Until I discovered this I feel like life didn’t have a meaning to me, I just never was a materialistic person. I guess I was not getting satisfied…
iRealization: That’s because you have had many, many, many lifetimes of serving other people which is why you are here today.
Sawyer: What is that? I imagine it’s kind of like… there is one big song going on and I’m just a repeating pattern on that song. Is that what that is? Because my pattern is going to repeat?
iRealization: Yes. “My pattern,” in this case is Sawyer’s pattern, which is illusory. It’s only repeating in this dream. That is just a dream, right? So you are not the pattern. The pattern is emanating from you in this particular state, the waking state. The whole thing tho, not Sawyer’s pattern, but the entire universe. You call it Sawyer but see, the house in the painting, is it different from the painting?
Sawyer: Oh, yeah! No!
iRealization: The house in the painting is the painting. Other than the painting there is nothing there, yet we are calling it a house.
Sawyer: We don’t exist and I’m the main character. No one else exists… *laugh*
iRealization: You have to see that for yourself because when you go to sleep, can you talk to a “me” or anyone else? So this whole thing happens only when you are in this state of consciousness, right?
Sawyer: Right.
iRealization: So why’s that? If these people are real, how can they disappear?
Sawyer: The question is from this pinhole perspective I have which is missing the whole picture.
iRealization: Correct. That pinhole perspective is the limitation. What happens in a dream is that all the dream objects that you see there, they are actually one consciousness, right? But they are limited consciousness as opposed to Pure Consciousness, unlimited, or Awareness, which is not conscious of anything in particular but is aware of everything. So the limited consciousness is nothing actually but Awareness itself, so when Awareness becomes conscious, you call it consciousness. But why be conscious? Because being conscious is only of a certain thing, no?
Sawyer: Right.
iRealization: So when there is no world and there are no objects, you can not be conscious of anything. Therefore no world, no dream, no person, no body, no me appears. You call this sleeping.
Sawyer: How come we don’t do satsangs and stuff like that?
iRealization: Who is that doing satsangs and all these things? The point is very simple, you need something and because of that you are having this conversation now. This question of others, as a separate entity, and corroborating that by giving it reality… all these things have to stop because if I want to do satsang that means that there is somebody there to help. This illusion is not here. Truth is that there is not anybody there that needs any help – at all. Nobody needs any help! They are all God. They are going through their own dream. They are all dreaming. Is there any reality to dreaming?
I don’t do satsang because I’m not a guru but I am doing what I am and these talks we are having might help other people, that’s all. First wake up then you’ll help everyone automatically.
Sawyer: Oh yeah!
iRealization: There is no need to go and help everybody. There is no need to go and tell everybody. If you go to see the Niagara Falls or Grand Canyon the first time and you’re like “Oh my God! Did you see that? Look at that! It’s breathtaking!” and the people that see it everyday, that live nearby, are like “Yeah, yeah, I get it…” and the Niagara Falls itself says “I’ve been here my entire life, no biggie!” So the fact that you are finding it new or whatever, that has to be seen. Who is finding it new and is there any need to tell so-called anybody about anything?
Sawyer: No.
iRealization: People like Ramana Maharshi were natural. He didn’t have a choice. People just surrounded him and took satsang from him. They wouldn’t just let him be, they were always very very close. The ashram was meant to happen. We call it Ramana but it’s not a person, right? Like Guruji, when I talk to him, I know that I’m talking to Pure Consciousness, Myself. I’m talking to Sound and Light. He is not aware of what comes out of his mouth. There is no “he” there.
Sawyer: Sometimes if I’m talking about this kind of stuff, this really weird sensation happens… my heart starts beating really fast, I feel like I’m going to burst.
iRealization: Absolutely, let it go, don’t try to be conscious of it. See, the consciousness creates attention, otherwise how will you know there is something coming out of you? You’d just be in a relaxed state. That relaxed state is the natural state. All other non-relaxed states are vibrations from the base state of non-vibration. At rest. Against the principle of at-rest is the principle of movement, or motion, right? How do you know something moves? Because you also know when it doesn’t move. So the not-moving is the Absolute. Everything else moves in respect to the Absolute.
Whatever is seen is just the seeing of it. And this Seeing never moves. Whatever appears is just an appearance. But if you become conscious of it and say “Oh, this is happening!” “That is happening!” “Oh god look at that thing!” Those are a question of knowledge, and as we know, knowledge is false. No need for it in what we are exploring here.
Sawyer: Man… God tried to tell them about the apple [The Tree of Knowledge from The Bible] but they wanted it so bad! *laugh*
iRealization: Yes.
Sawyer: But if you didn’t eat the apple could you appreciate what you were before that? Isn’t that part of the journey?
iRealization: When every thing disappears you are experiencing yourself. That’s why you sleep! You find it very peaceful and love to go to sleep. That is your natural experience. From sleep comes dreaming. So the actual situation at this point, something is dreaming, something is also sleeping. How else would the dream appear? Why go with the movement when the sleep is also there? You want to sleep, no? Everybody wants to sleep! So the real waking up is actually asleep.
Sawyer: When your consciousness starts to slip out, I feel like…
iRealization: Listen to me, you go to sleep tonight, Sawyer is going to sleep and in your consciousness, in your dream, you see you are doing many things, right? Therefore you perceive yourself to be awake in the dream… while sleeping. So all three things are happening. Now… the words have to become clear, these words have to be dropped because the word “sleep” and “dream”, for example, cannot be comprehended right now, because we are not in that state. Is there any human being who can tell me right now from direct experience what is dreaming? No, you can only recollect it, right?
Sawyer: Yes.
iRealization: So, forget the word “sleeping” and “dreaming” and all that. If you realize this is the waking state, it implies the other two states because they are also there as you can experience them everyday. This has to become so clear. That the states are all happening together and the perception is the issue. So you perceive a dream to be fleeting and fast, you perceive the waking to be slow in duration, and neither of those two things happened in sleep. But in sleep there is an experience which you know when you wake up, you recollect the experience: “Oh, I was so peaceful,” because when there is no object at all, no consciousness, there is an inherent experience of bliss, of peace. No conflict and deep relaxation. But when the mind starts becoming active again you call it the dreaming state or the waking state. You say “I have woken up, I’m doing this, I’m doing that…” because you identify yourself with the character in the dream.
Sawyer: As you’re switching states I feel like…
iRealization: Nobody is switching states. It’s just how things appear, imagination.
Sawyer: Yeah, well, weird stuff appears in your head and you’re like “What was that?”
iRealization: Right, go into that. It is very, very important. Go into that and you will realize unawares it happened, right? Suddenly it happened, just like a dream. A spontaneous occurrence of a dream! There is no planning for a dream to appear. When you go to sleep, suddenly any dream may appear, any thought also appears. You don’t control which thought appears next, is it not? Suddenly something happens and some other thought appears. Both that happening and the thought, neither of them were in your control.
Sawyer: Yeah, even thinking is just waiting to happen.
iRealization: Ah! So now it goes to the very point of thinking. If you realize all of this is consciousness then you will realize that this table is consciousness, my leg is consciousness, then you realize “Oh, my mind is also consciousness”. Thoughts appearing are also consciousness. Then everything is consciousness. Is really everything consciousness? Is there something which is not consciousness?
Sawyer: What would know?
iRealization: One has to differentiate now between the contents of consciousness and the knowing of the contents before it becomes knowledge. So if you believe in the knowledge itself, that becomes concretized as knowledge, as opposed to simply being aware of what it is, without creating any concepts. So there is a difference between Awareness and consciousness. The word “consciousness” requires you to be conscious of something. When you lose consciousness, that means you are not conscious of anything. When you regain consciousness, that means you become conscious of this waking state and you become conscious of all the things in it. So, consciousness is a state and it requires you to be conscious of whatever is in the state of consciousness. It requires content. So, your consciousness is like a dream or the waking state. Unconscious is like sleep. So in conscious states you have the content, but in the unconscious state, are you not there?
Sawyer: I’m not there.
iRealization: You are there but you don’t know what that knowledge means. There is no knowledge of it. That mind of knowledge is not there but when you come back, you testify to being unconscious for a long time. Because you were there! Otherwise how would you know you were unconscious?
Sawyer: Right.
iRealization: Like in sleeping, you come back and recollect the sleep, even though you were not there in sleep.
Sawyer: Oh, yeah because if I wasn’t I wouldn’t even realize I had been unconscious.
iRealization: Exactly! Now you are realizing that nature points you to the truth automatically.
Sawyer: It would be really weird if you went to sleep and you weren’t even aware of the sleep…
iRealization: See, when you are in the flow state you are not aware of anything, that's why you call it the flow state: “I was in the zone!” Knowing requires knowledge otherwise there is only being without any thing to know.
Sawyer: I want to try this yoga thing that you are doing so let me know when it gets up and running.
iRealization: Yeah. You know, non-duality is gaining interest all over the world.
Sawyer: What does that mean? It’s kind of exciting!
iRealization: It means that the entire universe is sustained by yogis. It’s about the so-called light and dark, you see. This is why religions have this thing about good and bad, light and dark. It’s natural. But it’s not really good and bad but rather light and dark. Dark being ignorance and knowledge. Ignorance is the lack of Light, same as darkness is the lack of Light. So when the Light shines on darkness, darkness is never there. When Light sees the darkness, the darkness doesn’t exist, you understand?
Sawyer: Yes, it was never there.
iRealization: When you become aware of something it is no longer in darkness. The world will change because I change.
Sawyer: It kind of feels like that.
iRealization: Yes, it is a fact. The illusion is that there is a world, you see? If you want to lucid dream you have to realize that there is no world.
Sawyer: I gave up lucid dreaming. I got irritated with being aware in my sleep. I didn’t like it.
iRealization: Because you didn’t realize that the place to practice is not in your so-called dream, the dream is now, where you are actually conscious and aware, the so-called waking state.
Sawyer: I’m starting to understand that now…
iRealization: So, this is the actual dream. This is the one you can manifest anything you want. The point is that getting involved in manifestation is not something I recommend or anyone will recommend because it is only illusion, more dreaming, so let it not be your goal. The goal has to be total and complete transcendence of this nonsense, then what I’m saying is not a doership – it’s a happening. It will happen through you because you are what is.
Sawyer: I don’t really want anything.
iRealization: That’s all, just to be. Nothing to want because there is nobody to want it. To realize that is the point, right? And to those that want nothing, they get everything. This is what is meant in the Bible by “all these things shall be added unto you.”
Sawyer: Did you study multiple religions or did you just naturally pick it up as you went along?
iRealization: I never studied anything. These are all words that are coming out of me. They are not my words. Do you think that these ideas are mine? Do you think my company is something I thought of? I grew up in Bangalore, in India, and I am about to change the world, it’s going to happen. Do you think it’s me doing it?
Sawyer: You’re just the instrument, right? It’s only movement…
iRealization: Nothing is happening.
Sawyer: Nothing is happening…
iRealization: Nothing is happening! There is nothing to improve. This is a dream and there’s nothing to be gained here.
Harold: Why does the plan for your yoga class has forty-four minutes specifically?
iRealization: Forty-four minutes is because it will specifically unlock your mind and make it free due to the vedic math and numbers behind it. Eventually you come to the point of vedanta, what is vedanta? Vedanta means the end of the vedas. End of the vedas is when you realize that even the great wisdom of the vedas are simply concepts. So this number forty-four will help you until it doesn’t need to help you. It’s called inception and everything is inception only because you are using concepts, you are using the mind. That question that came up within you, of what is the use of forty-four instead of a regular number, is the very question I want to arise. The answer is because it is special and it will help you. Which it will because it’s actually going to help you. But people need to know that. If they don’t know that they will think it’s regular. The minute you say “this is regular” you create “regular”, the concept and belief. That is your problem that you’ve created.
To realize all of this very simply from a scientific point of view, and from a jnana yoga point of view, which is my path so to speak, the pathless path… To realize the already existing truth. That is why it’s called realization. You don’t discover anything new! It’s a mechanical process, meaning it can happen to anybody, anywhere, anytime – there is no individual – so to hasten the process I go straight to the root, which is whatever I said all day today.
I’ll also add that when you perceive something in the waking state, consciousness is there, you are conscious. You know this because of knowledge. The knowledge requires the knower, the known and the missing part of it, which nobody realizes, is the Knowing part. So, in consciousness the known and the knower are there. The one you’re assuming to be the knower, thinking “I am Sawyer,” is actually the known, right? Sawyer is also a known thing. In this way everything becomes the known. Then what am I? I cannot be anything known, you see? Nor can I be the knower, because the knower is the known. This real knower is the Knowing.
There is no need to know myself because I am the process of Knowing, not the knowledge. Knowledge is an artifact, a shadow that you create. You realize yourself as the Knowing principle, the abstract principle of Knowing, not of knowledge. Knowledge emanates from you because of the Knowing principle. Knowledge being the separation that is created by feeling as a “me” that knows some thing, when in reality there’s no such separation. Only Knowing.
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